When the goat that ate the stoning for zina verse of quran, was it a satanically-guided goat?
When the goat that ate the stoning for zina verse of quran, was it a satanically-guided goat?
Why else would a goat want to eat the verse on stoning for adulterers? Fortunately the scholars have kept this practice alive, otherwise they’d have to rely on only the quran.
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Answer by Abul Haarith
Your question lacks sincerity… much like the entirety of the Quraanite beliefs.
http://abulhaarith.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/the-deviant-sect-of-the-quraanites-by-shaykh-dr-saleh-as-saleh-%d8%b1%d8%ad%d9%85%d9%87-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%84%d9%87/
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Muhammad K you really should stop talking. You dont know the basics of the language yet you speak so much about it. And your mannerisms are a perfect example as to why no one would ever want to be a Quraanite.
What does 3:18 have to do with anything?
شَهِدَ اللَّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلَـئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ
In fact this part of the Ayah refutes your entire methodology of rejecting the Fahm of the Sahaabah:
وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ
Because it points to Ittibaa’ of Ahlul ‘Ilm in Fahm of the Nusoos.
Try harder buddy. You keep attacking the people of Islaam and Sunnah and your mocking insults and attacks do not harm us nor benefit you.
Sufficient is it that we say to you the same as what is said to the goat who keeps trying to ram the mountain, “O goat don’t have mercy upon the mountain, have mercy upon your horns!”
What do you think? Answer below!
September 6th, 2010 at 7:39 am
hmmm
a goat who eats verses????
i know that goats eat material stuff only, not Verses !
maybe it ate a piece of paper, but then again whats so dramatic about it?
@~OMAR~X
that’s correct, leaves or a piece of skin or whatever… that’s what goats eat not “Verses”
September 6th, 2010 at 8:28 am
The goat eating verse story had to be created by Christians and jews
being the enemies of Islam. Quran was not saved only by writing the verses but all Muslims of the time were preserving every revelation of Quran in their memories and in their hearts.
Non-Muslims can make all the stories they want, but it won’t hurt Islam one tiny bit. Clear hearted Christians seeking true guidance from God will keep reverting to Islam and Islam haters will continue burning in jealousy until the end of this world and will finally end up in hell fire on the Day of Judgment.
September 6th, 2010 at 8:51 am
No, and it’s not one of the two verses you claim to be “Satanic”. This has got to be the third time I answered a question related to this:
I’ve been asked this question a million times. This verse in the Quran makes it clear that there have been verses that were abrogated or caused to be forgotten and are replaced with something better or similar to it. Verse 2:106 in the Quran explains:
ماننسخ من اية او ننسها نات بخير منها او مثلها الم تعلم ان الله على كل شئ قدير
“We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?”
So the answer is, the Quran is complete. It was Allah’s will that there be verses which were caused to be “abrogated” OR “forgotten” and replaced with something better OR similar. So verses were not abrogated, rather substituted.
When God said he deletes OR causes a verse to be forgotten. it doesn’t literally mean he “erased/deleted” a verse physically. It can happen in anyway he chooses it to, but no matter what, He is capable of all things.
By the way, have you checked my answer to the question you posted a while back?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjRK..4IW98JnaS3e.AFQzbty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20081004203746AAgfMzM&show=7#profile-info-oz4EcmPKaa
Maybe you can answer the questions for Shah since he can’t.
HayHat:
True. But, there was substitution. Read the verse. Nothing was added or removed, it was substituted.
September 6th, 2010 at 8:57 am
They insist on stoning people to death irregardless of the proofs presented before them , really makes one wonder…….
What kind of heartless rats would stand there and stone another human being to death ?
September 6th, 2010 at 9:26 am
a hypothetical goat,to justify,wrong punishment which never exist in Glorious Quran,to justify wrong/fabrications/conjecture/lies and attribute to Allah Allmighty.
when one tells ONE lie then a person has to cover that particular lie with uncountable lies
the following Verse Alhamdolillahe expose those who start explaining Quran by reciting hadith in arabic,and how perfectly the following verse exposes hadith scholars/followers,”they claim it is from God”.
Al-Imran, Verse 78 – Among them are those who twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture, and they claim that it is from GOD, when it is not from GOD. Thus, they utter lies and attribute them to GOD, knowingly.
Al-Ankaboot, Verse 68 – Who is more evil than one who fabricates lies and attributes them to GOD, or rejects the truth when it comes to him? Is Hell not a just retribution for the disbelievers?
@ divine fatwa of abul harith,”this question lacks sincerity”
this is from your own book called hadith ! is it wrong to quote any thing from your “holy book ” ! what a remarkable answer you have given ! exposing your illiteracy,and incompetence.
mr.muqayyed in hadith crap, explain me 3:18,its been months i have been asking you this question but you as always run like a frightened zebra ! how do you pray salat when there is NOT a single or bunch of ahadith which mentions number of Rakahs in each particular salat in your holy books !
@ Rumaitha now the question is,why this death penalty for adultry still practised in saudi arabia ? do they or do they not know arabic ?
if death penalty is NOT what Allah Allmighty decreed,then why is it part of Sharia,when it has been “caused” to be forgotten ?
do you believe,Allah Allmighty needed a goat to rectify mistake ? why would Allah Allmighty send this revelation at first place and then abrogate it through goat ? Didnt Allah Allmighty know the future ? or did Allah Allmighty forget ?
first Surah Ehzab was of 200 verses,then a goat came by who was master at editing ! wow !
which verse abrogates 5:69 !
@ Noor crime is the same,whats the logic behind married and unmarried ? do you see word married or unmarried in the said verse ? why do you invent lies ? or is it the belief that Glorious Quran is Incomplete ? and Allah Allmighty gave divine authority to hadith narrators to complete it !
how disgusting !
WHO IS BETTER THAN GOD as a law-maker, for those who sincerely believe?” (Quran 5:48-50)
or did Allah Forget to mention in Glorious Quran ?
[19:64] We do not come down except by the command of your Lord. To Him belongs our past, our future, and everything between them. Your Lord is never forgetful.
In Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 8, pages 209-210, we read this sermon delivered by Hadhrath Umar during his last Hajj as Khalifa:
“Certainly Allah sent Muhammad with the truth, and revealed to him the Book. One of the revelations which came to him was the verse of stoning. We read it and understood it.
“The Messenger of God stoned and we stoned after him. I am concerned that if time goes on, someone may say, ‘By God, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of God;’ thus, the Muslims will deviate by neglecting a commandment the Almighty revealed.
“Stoning is in the Book of God. It is the right punishment for a person who commits adultery if the required witnesses are available, or there was pregnancy without marriage or adultery is admitted.”
Again, we used to read in what we found in the Book of God:
“Do not deny the fatherhood of your fathers in contempt because it is disbelief on your part to be ashamed of the fatherhood of your fathers.”
So Nasibis, tell us where has this verse on stoning gone?
Al-Muttaqi ‘Ali bin Husam al-Din in his book “Mukhtasar Kanz al-’Ummal” printed on the margin of Imam Ahmad’s Musnad, Volume 2, page 2, in his hadith about chapter 33, said that Ibn Mardawayh reported that Hudhayfah said:
‘Umar said to me ‘How many verses are contained in the chapter of al-Ahzab?’ I said, ’72 or 73 verses.’ He said it was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning.
The revered Sunni scholar al Hafidh Jalaladeen as Suyuti writes:
“Hadhrath Umar said at the Saqifa that the Qur’an has 1,027,000 letters”.
“Tafsir al Itqan” by as Suyuti, page 88
The present Qur’an has 267,033 letters. According to Hadhrath Umar’s research the Qur’an should have approximately 90 parts. We should console the Nasibis at their heavy loss – having lost 60 parts of the Qur’an! They themselves advocate that anyone that says the Qur’an has verses missing is a Kaffir thus a verdict on Hadhrath Umar in the light of the above narration will suffice as the final nail in the coffin for them.
Abdullah ibne Umar’s similar Fatwa that the Qur’an is incomplete
Suyuti also records the following:
“No one can proclaim that I have found the Qur’an complete because most of the Qur’an has been lost”.
“Tafsir Duure Manthur” as-Suyuti Volume 1 page 104
September 6th, 2010 at 10:24 am
stoning to death as a punishment for married adulterer and adulteress, the statement that there is no verse stipulating that punishment is not correct. It is to be made crystal clear that the punishment is explicitly sanctioned by both the Qur’an and the Prophetic Tradition. Before explaining this further, it’s to be stressed that such punishment should not be a cause of wonder, especially when we know that it had been there in the Divine Scriptures revealed before the Glorious Qur’an. There is a reference to this punishment in the Bible, for instance. It reads: “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.” (Deuteronomy 22: 22) and also in Leviticus, we find the following verse:”If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife-with the wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death” (Leviticus 20: 10).
All this makes it clear that it was neither Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) nor the glorious Qur’an, revealed to him, brought the capital punishment (as a punishment for adultery) out of the blue. Being the Seal Prophet, it was his mission to perfect the Divine Message of the Supreme Creator!
The second point that should be borne in mind on this issue is that, as previously refuted, the statement that the Qur’an is silent on this punishment is not genuine. Actually, according to renowned Muslim jurists, there was a verse (Ayah) in the Qur’an that talked about this matter. Though the verse was abrogated, but the abrogation here is in wording; the ruling is still kept in force.
The abrogated verse stated that “A married man and woman, if they commit adultery, stone them to death.”
This verse states clearly that the prescribed punishment for adultery, which means an illegitimate sexual intercourse between a married man and a woman married to another man is stoning to death. But this offense must be proven either through a confession made voluntarily by the accused or by the testimony of four witnesses who state under oath that they have witnessed the commission of the crime. It’s only after this legal procedure that the accused will be punished by lapidation. This punishment is agreed upon by scholars and there is no question about it. In citing proofs for this punishment, scholars of Hadith quote `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) as saying that he would have written this verse if not for the fear that it would be viewed as tampering with Allah’s book.
there are many incidents in the Sunnah and the life of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in which the Prophet stoned the married adulterer and adulteress to death. This happened in the case of Ma`iz and the Ghamidi woman. All this makes it clear that the punishment is proven and authentic and is not debatable.
for more
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=80757
whats the story about your goat!!!